Tuesday 20 March 2018

Wargames Rules WWII: Digging up Old Rules and Dusting Them Off (WRG Armour and Infantry 1973)

Now here is a blast from the past, circa 1973 (apparently updated in 1988, but I am under the assumption that it was padded out with Army Lists as opposed to dramatic additions to the rules). The figures are 1:1 so anything bigger than a company looks a challenge but I am "needling" my way through reading them and intend to give them a play test (see below)


I would love to hear from anyone who previously played them, particularly the 1988 version! The only comments so far was from Renko with respect to long ago at the local Hartlepool club, where he remembered several "good" games using them. Then along came Firefly and Korp Commander and hoards of 1/300 tanks.

The temptation I have is to put a small infantry battle together, a platoon attacking a defensive position defended by a reinforced Squad in hasty defensive cover.


7 comments:

DaveM said...

I have that set of WRG rules. Mine is a 1976 reprint (32pp + 5p appendix + quick ref sheet). Confusingly, it is (almost) a completely different set of rules to the WRG set "War Games Rules 1925-1950", published June 1988 (60pp). Let me know if there is anything you want to know about the 1988 set. PS I thought I had seen them for free download somewhere, but I could be wrong...

Cheers, Dave

Geordie an Exiled FoG said...

Do you mean this link?

http://www.wrg.me.uk/WRG.net/History/wrg.html

There are Infantry Action rules here:
http://www.wrg.me.uk/WRG.net/History/OLDWRG/InfantryAction.pdf

Or do I have to but the combines WWII and Modern rule set?
http://www.wrg.me.uk/wrg-me.html
http://www.lulu.com/shop/phil-barker/wargames-rules-for-all-arms-land-warfare-from-platoon-to-battalion-level/paperback/product-22849144.html

Geordie an Exiled FoG said...

This guys appraisal of WWII rules seems to hold true:

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/53303-13-wwii-rules-ultimate-pointless-review

DaveM said...

I had a quick look and could only find full downloads of the set you already have, not the 1988 version. There is quite a bit of discussion of the merits of the various iterations of WGR WWII on TMP, eg
http://theminiaturespage.com/rules/boards/msg.mv?id=5280
http://theminiaturespage.com/rules/boards/msg.mv?id=5286
...etc

That is a great overview link and I strongly agree with his comments re both versions of WRG.

Cheers, Dave

Geordie an Exiled FoG said...

Thanks Dave
They are good reads for sure

Carolyne said...

They came out about the same time as 1/300 scale, but I think were written more with 1/72 scale in mind.

My older brother, who introduced me to wargames had a copy and had bought a selection of packs of German and Soviet AFVs. I think we had one game where he had me attack a village with I think 5 Stug IIIs and 5 Pz IIIs or IVs; no artillery support, no infantry.

A few years later I borrowed or inherited the rules and models to experiment with. They worked well for AFVs and AT guns, but at a scale of 1mm to 1m and infantry with a short movement allowance there tended to be too many infantry elements that were often peripheral to the AFV combat bogged down in fairly desultory infantry on infantry fire fights. An infantry company would be more than 30 elements, barely moving.

It would have made more sense, for 1/300 to have a section as an element rather than probably 3 elements per section.

Morale was a D6 minus losses and some situation factors, but a tank platoon would be 3 - 5 vehicles, while an infantry platoon would be 10 elements.

Didn't work out how to replace the rifle and LMG elements with sections then.

Have looked at one or two rule sets since which seem to have definite virtues (activation, section elements), but they tend to be written perhaps with 15mm in mind and more complicated AFV and AT fire than the lethality of the WRG rules.

Carolyne said...

Also consider the scales suggested in the rules.

For 1/72 1mm to 1m. A Pz IV was 7.2m long (convenient) and so a 1/72 scale model would be 100mm long (100m on table).

For 1/300 the scale 1" to 100m is about the same relative size model to ground scale.

When I experimented with the rules I used 1mm to 1m for 1/300.